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		<title>By: N Pepperell</title>
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		<dc:creator>N Pepperell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I worried a bit, after I had posted, that it might look as though I was myself trying to rule out individual and collective efforts to reflect on or discuss ideals for the medium, when I&#039;m actually quite supportive of such efforts - not just in relation to blogging, but in relation to any form of collective practice.

I think I&#039;m struggling a bit to specify when I start getting worried - I think it&#039;s when attempts to reflect on the medium seem... er... not as reflective as they should be - when they either take the form of something like proscriptive pronouncements, or when they fall into overgeneralised sociologisms.  My fear is that these particular forms of discourse might have a chilling effect:  I&#039;ve certain seen people who have ceased blogging, who have themselves cited such discussions to say that the medium was now evolving into a direction such that they could no longer participate, etc.  It&#039;s an interesting case study, in a way, of how a kind of social constraint could operate in the absence of any effective enforcement mechanism...

But yes:  I do agree that the purpose of a particular blog imposes its own set of more intrinsic constraints - one of the issues I was trying to reflect on at &lt;a href=&quot;http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/08/overview-of-2006-the-gloves-come-off/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;your site&lt;/a&gt;, in relation to my own purposes, as I think there probably is a level of intrinsic tension in what I&#039;d to achieve here.  And it is an open question, as you&#039;ve suggested in various places, whether particular blogs are, so to speak, adequate to their purposes...

The issue of rhetoric - and the construction of an online persona or authorial voice - and how this interacts with a ritualised trope of authenticity, is an interesting one.  My thoughts on the issue aren&#039;t very well-organised at the moment.  I have a strange check and balance on the construction of a rhetorical voice here, because a number of readers know me in person.  This certainly doesn&#039;t prevent glamourisation or the cultivation of a particular kind of rhetoric - it does, though, ensure that the discussion here occurs within certain parameters (as does the fact that I&#039;m not blogging anonymously...).  

I&#039;ve wondered occasionally what, if anything, I might change if none of my readers knew me in person - probably nothing in terms of the theoretical content, I&#039;d guess, but perhaps a bit in terms of the balance between theoretical and other content...  I&#039;ve wondered more frequently how readers who &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; know me in person think of my blog writing - whether they see any kind of disjoint between the &quot;me&quot; they know in person, and the &quot;me&quot; who writes here... 

Regardless, the distinction between rhetorical (other-centric) and expressive may be at least somewhat problematic:  perhaps I&#039;ve just been hanging out at &lt;a href=&quot;http://larval-subjects.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Larval Subjects&lt;/a&gt; too much, but I suspect that most of us express ourselves in and through our acts of relating to others...  So the issue becomes more - and I take this to be your key point - the function served by the &lt;em&gt;rhetoric of pure expressiveness&lt;/em&gt; - by the normative notion that this is what a blog is &quot;supposed&quot; to be:  a discourse that, in its own way, can be as dogmatic as any set of proscriptive rules intended to make blogging safe for professional practice...

Apologies if this is very confused - I&#039;m having a bit of a low sleep week...  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I worried a bit, after I had posted, that it might look as though I was myself trying to rule out individual and collective efforts to reflect on or discuss ideals for the medium, when I&#8217;m actually quite supportive of such efforts &#8211; not just in relation to blogging, but in relation to any form of collective practice.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m struggling a bit to specify when I start getting worried &#8211; I think it&#8217;s when attempts to reflect on the medium seem&#8230; er&#8230; not as reflective as they should be &#8211; when they either take the form of something like proscriptive pronouncements, or when they fall into overgeneralised sociologisms.  My fear is that these particular forms of discourse might have a chilling effect:  I&#8217;ve certain seen people who have ceased blogging, who have themselves cited such discussions to say that the medium was now evolving into a direction such that they could no longer participate, etc.  It&#8217;s an interesting case study, in a way, of how a kind of social constraint could operate in the absence of any effective enforcement mechanism&#8230;</p>
<p>But yes:  I do agree that the purpose of a particular blog imposes its own set of more intrinsic constraints &#8211; one of the issues I was trying to reflect on at <a href="http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/08/overview-of-2006-the-gloves-come-off/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">your site</a>, in relation to my own purposes, as I think there probably is a level of intrinsic tension in what I&#8217;d to achieve here.  And it is an open question, as you&#8217;ve suggested in various places, whether particular blogs are, so to speak, adequate to their purposes&#8230;</p>
<p>The issue of rhetoric &#8211; and the construction of an online persona or authorial voice &#8211; and how this interacts with a ritualised trope of authenticity, is an interesting one.  My thoughts on the issue aren&#8217;t very well-organised at the moment.  I have a strange check and balance on the construction of a rhetorical voice here, because a number of readers know me in person.  This certainly doesn&#8217;t prevent glamourisation or the cultivation of a particular kind of rhetoric &#8211; it does, though, ensure that the discussion here occurs within certain parameters (as does the fact that I&#8217;m not blogging anonymously&#8230;).  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wondered occasionally what, if anything, I might change if none of my readers knew me in person &#8211; probably nothing in terms of the theoretical content, I&#8217;d guess, but perhaps a bit in terms of the balance between theoretical and other content&#8230;  I&#8217;ve wondered more frequently how readers who <em>do</em> know me in person think of my blog writing &#8211; whether they see any kind of disjoint between the &#8220;me&#8221; they know in person, and the &#8220;me&#8221; who writes here&#8230; </p>
<p>Regardless, the distinction between rhetorical (other-centric) and expressive may be at least somewhat problematic:  perhaps I&#8217;ve just been hanging out at <a href="http://larval-subjects.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Larval Subjects</a> too much, but I suspect that most of us express ourselves in and through our acts of relating to others&#8230;  So the issue becomes more &#8211; and I take this to be your key point &#8211; the function served by the <em>rhetoric of pure expressiveness</em> &#8211; by the normative notion that this is what a blog is &#8220;supposed&#8221; to be:  a discourse that, in its own way, can be as dogmatic as any set of proscriptive rules intended to make blogging safe for professional practice&#8230;</p>
<p>Apologies if this is very confused &#8211; I&#8217;m having a bit of a low sleep week&#8230;  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 02:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NP, I really loved this post. I agree with your implicit statement that we &lt;i&gt;shouldn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; generalize blogs. They are as flexible as language itself, in many ways, and they have the potential to be as broad as ourselves.

That said, I can see some value in turning this critique back against the blogs themselves. Why do blogs fall into patterns of repetition, of needless whimsy, of jokes that fall down flat? I&#039;m kidding, but I do think the tendency to decline into memes and empty verbiage creates some of the impulse to generalize.

I think of blogging rhetorically, for the reason (which seems fair enough) that I do have an audience, and couldn&#039;t really have a blog without one. I don&#039;t need to blog about what I ate for breakfast, unless I can think of something to say about that...because I already &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; what I ate, and it&#039;s usually Cheerios. So I do think of the blog as a way of building relationships with readers, and that starts to impose rules on how the blog works.

Of course good blogs are always testing those limits; that&#039;s an axiom borrowed from art, which is also engaged with an audience. That said, I do find that the fluid possibilities of blogging, and the imperative of free, spontaneous self-expression, are often covers for other things, such as exhaustion coupled with a desire to retain an audience, or desirable but embarrassing kinds of rhetoric. For example, many blogs which are apparently personal and confessional have a strong element of glamourization (I would include some of my own entries in this), which is actually rhetorical (Other-centric) rather than purely expressive.

For my part, I&#039;m critically concerned with maintaining a useful self-consciousness and rigor, because I think that&#039;s what&#039;s makes a blog exciting. When we throw overboard any particular concern with what a blog can be (which is different from acknowledging different possible concerns), in favor of a sort of undifferentiated &quot;bill of rights,&quot; the result is the blogosphere becoming thinner, vaguer, and definitely less compelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NP, I really loved this post. I agree with your implicit statement that we <i>shouldn&#8217;t</i> generalize blogs. They are as flexible as language itself, in many ways, and they have the potential to be as broad as ourselves.</p>
<p>That said, I can see some value in turning this critique back against the blogs themselves. Why do blogs fall into patterns of repetition, of needless whimsy, of jokes that fall down flat? I&#8217;m kidding, but I do think the tendency to decline into memes and empty verbiage creates some of the impulse to generalize.</p>
<p>I think of blogging rhetorically, for the reason (which seems fair enough) that I do have an audience, and couldn&#8217;t really have a blog without one. I don&#8217;t need to blog about what I ate for breakfast, unless I can think of something to say about that&#8230;because I already <i>know</i> what I ate, and it&#8217;s usually Cheerios. So I do think of the blog as a way of building relationships with readers, and that starts to impose rules on how the blog works.</p>
<p>Of course good blogs are always testing those limits; that&#8217;s an axiom borrowed from art, which is also engaged with an audience. That said, I do find that the fluid possibilities of blogging, and the imperative of free, spontaneous self-expression, are often covers for other things, such as exhaustion coupled with a desire to retain an audience, or desirable but embarrassing kinds of rhetoric. For example, many blogs which are apparently personal and confessional have a strong element of glamourization (I would include some of my own entries in this), which is actually rhetorical (Other-centric) rather than purely expressive.</p>
<p>For my part, I&#8217;m critically concerned with maintaining a useful self-consciousness and rigor, because I think that&#8217;s what&#8217;s makes a blog exciting. When we throw overboard any particular concern with what a blog can be (which is different from acknowledging different possible concerns), in favor of a sort of undifferentiated &#8220;bill of rights,&#8221; the result is the blogosphere becoming thinner, vaguer, and definitely less compelling.</p>
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